Biblioteca de intragables
En el fondo, y salvo excepciones, todos leemos lo mismo. Hablo, claro est�, de aquellos que leemos algo en el sancta sanctorum (retrete) o antes de acostarnos. Hay ciertas especialidades, y unos se dan al ensayo filos�fico con m�s ah�nco, otros a los libros de historia o a la novela negra, quiz� a las biograf�as o a la ciencia-ficci�n. Pero al final tenemos una base com�n bastante amplia, algo l�gico por otra parte debido a la cultura que compartimos. Por eso creo que se puede saber m�s de un lector por aquellos libros que fue incapaz de leer, esos cl�sicos que dej� a la mitad o muchas de las obras calificadas de excelsas que quiso lanzar por la ventana. En estos casos envidio a Umbral, que tira sus descartes a una piscina. Mi biblioteca de intragables tiene ejemplares como La Colmena (Cela), La Peste (Camus), Por el Camino de Swan (Proust), Lord Jim (Conrad), una recopilaci�n de cuentos de Joyce o Hamlet (Shakespeare). Lejos de renegar de los libros que llenan las estanter�as de esta particular biblioteca, los cuido m�s que a ninguno, les quito el polvo y los huelo, les vuelvo a echar un vistazo de vez en cuando. Es cierto que en un primer momento, cuando no puedo continuar con su lectura, los mandar�a al contenedor de papel y cart�n; sin embargo constituyen mi verdadera historia como lector. Posiblemente por eso queramos quemarlos, pisarlos, lanzarlos por la ventana o a la piscina. Muestran un pedacito de verdad, y enfrentarse a la verdad siempre es dif�cil (llegados a este punto digo esto en voz baja, tampoco he podido con el Quijote). La biblioteca de intragables es la �nica que merece un sitio en las casas, la que habr�a que exhibir ante las amistades para fardar:
– Mira, Paco, en estos anaqueles tengo ordenados los libros seg�n la p�gina donde los abandon�. Los de la parte de abajo ni siquiera merecieron pasar de la 30. Te voy a prestar �ste de Hemingway.
– Ah, ese ya lo dej�, Mar�a; es buen�simo, en la 45 si no recuerdo mal. A ver si te presto uno de Faulkner que me espant� o te lo regalo para tu cumplea�os. Es de los que he le�do hasta el primer cuarto que m�s me ha gustado cerrar.
�Qu� m�rito tiene disfrutar con La Conjura de los Necios? �C�mo no pas�rselo en grande con las andanzas francesas de Henry Miller? �Qui�n maldice los relatos de Poe, Borges o Cort�zar? Cr�anme, se necesita mucho m�s talento para aburrirse con cualquiera de los libros que he mencionado. Hay que ser muy valiente para decirle a Cervantes: ah� te quedas.
Octubre Rojo wrote:
Sin olvidar al plasta de Tolkien y todo lo infumable que vino detras, como la moda…
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 8:17 pm ¶
Otis B. Driftwood wrote:
Yo no pas� de la 40 en Lord Jim. Y mira que la cog� con ganas, pero… menudo pesti�o.
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 8:41 pm ¶
Ava wrote:
El Ulises de Joyce gana por goleada, junto con el Quijote. Hay que ver lo que miente la gente con tal de decir que se los ha leido completos.
En mi caso y debido a que me lo tuve que leer por obligaci�n, la m�s refinada tortura literaria es Mazurca para dos muertos de Cela. Deliciosamente insoportable.
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 8:43 pm ¶
Otis B. Driftwood wrote:
Pues yo s� que me lo le� completo el Quijote. Y dir� m�s (atrevido, oigh): me gust� una jart�. Claro que no me lo le� por obligaci�n, sino uno de esos d�as que te preguntas �y ahora qu� hago? Y te pules un libro de un tir�n.
Huelga decir que no me atrev� a repetir la haza�a
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 8:55 pm ¶
Strepto wrote:
Pues a mi La Nausea me da nauseas y eso me pasa con casi todo lo escrito por Sartre. Sin embargo, tambi�n le quito el polvo al libraco y lo exhibo a alguna ex camarada siempre que «indefestiblemente» me tomar� por un t�o profundo. Y es que los libros raros, excentricos y megacomplejos son instrumentos dignos de estar en el cursillo para ligar (�o lo est�n? no recuerdo).
Y por cierto yo al Chekspier ese si lo trago y al Quijote no tanto (le he leido entre sue�o y sue�o), otra prueba m�s de que soy un catal�n antiespa�ol…
Salud.
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 9:32 pm ¶
Fran(Cesc) wrote:
Alfredo, discrepo en tu opini�n sobre La Colmena. Igual sonar� extra�o, pero me lo le� pr�cticamente del tir�n. Aunque ya se sabe que sobre gustos…
Por cierto, �alguien de los presentes ha conseguido acabar los Hermanos Karamazov de Dostoyevski? El memotreto tiene, en mi edici�n, 1300 p�ginas. Yo llegu� hasta la 400, m�s o menos.
Saludos
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 10:22 pm ¶
Yordi wrote:
Yo lei El doctor Zivago por amor propio, y una y no mas Santo Tomas.
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 10:44 pm ¶
percepied wrote:
Yo me tragu� el de los Karam�zov con gusto cuando atravesaba una �poca dovstoyeskiana (en lecturas, no �poca vital). Recomiendo Los Demonios, primera vez que o� hablar de c�lulas (de nihilistas!!).
En cambio no pude con Tolstoy’s Guerra y Paz traducci�n a�os cuarenta (en plan: «Pedrito se dirigi� a Alejandro…»). Seguro que es la leche, pero…
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 11:38 pm ¶
Julio wrote:
Yo dej� a medias Rayuela unas 9 veces, al menos 3 por cada una de las formas que hay de leerla: las dos que propone Cort�zar y totalmente de corrido; y nada, que no hubo manera.
Posted 16 Abr 2004 at 11:46 pm ¶
Ana Tema wrote:
Te has olvidado de la tontaina de Madame Bovary y la hist�rica de Ana Karenina.�Yo tuve un profesor de literatura que de jovencito estaba enamorado de Madame Bovary, el muy burro!
En cambio Sthendal me gusta bastante, especialmente La Cartuja de Parma.
�Viva Henry Miller!
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 1:19 am ¶
Yordi wrote:
Lo que si es infumable es El Capital, el libro que todos decian tener y todo el mundo citaba pero realmente no creo que ni Anguita lo haya leido.
Antes me sentia culpable por no haber acabado cien a�os de soledad a los 14 a�os, pero ahora me importa un bledo. Eso si Borges me parece un rollo impresentable y Vargas Llosa me encanta.
Por cierto las novelas de Jose Angel Ma�as, pierden un pico cuando se releen al cabo de los a�os, me parecen una fantasmada.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 4:22 am ¶
Murdoch wrote:
Los tochos pseudo hist�tico-m�sticos que hace 5-10 a�os te regalaban por tu cumplea�os (todos de las ofertas del VIPS). Lo peor es cuando te preguntaban al cabo de unas semanas sobre pasajes del mismo.
(e.g. «El M�dico», «El abisinio», «Sinuh� el egipcio»). Todos ellos 500 p�ginas de media.
Co�acete Paulo Coelho, por lo menos no son libros muy largos.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 12:02 pm ¶
Muad�Dib wrote:
Dublineses de Joyce es destacable, estaba viviendo en Dubl�n de aquella y siempre coges esos libros con m�s gusto por aquello de q conoces la ciudad: P�g. 33
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 12:58 pm ¶
Muad`Dib wrote:
Tambi�n reconozco (esto por incapacidad m�a) q «As� habl� Zaratrusta» de Nietzche me fu� imposible de entender (p�g. 36 sin contar introducci�n de un profesor de la complutense), con «El ocaso de los id�los» parecido pero lo pude acabar y fardar de haber entendido �casi el 30%!, �con un par!
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 1:03 pm ¶
Muad`Dib wrote:
Y, por �ltimo, recordar los Cuentos Fant�sticos del amigo Kafka (tb lo atribuyo en si mayor parte a mi incapacidad), simp�tico chico q quer�a competir con Her�clito en opacidad prosaica, destacar el «Ante la ley», rayazo de 1 semana y a�n no lo entend� (espero q alguien me diga a grosso modo como lo v� pq luego por pereza pas� de buscar m�s explicaciones a este cuento).
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 1:10 pm ¶
ElBaTeRia wrote:
que bien traido este foro tio, que cierto, los libros que te definen son los que abominas.
Yo jamas he podido con las supuestas novelas hist�ricas esas que venden 2×1 en el VIPS y que tos los veranos ves a pe�a as�ndose en la playa mientras las empieza, al poco ves que el formato de bolsillo ese de tapa garrula empieza a deteriorarse del sol y el salitre y a los 5 d�as vienen con una nueva. Estoy hablando, como ya imaginareis de un cl�sico de la playa: Los pilares de la tierra, de Ken Follet y mamotretos similares de Peter Berling como: Los hijos del grial y su saga.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 1:55 pm ¶
ElBaTeRia wrote:
Por cierto, por tema de estudios he tenido que leer bastante a Umberto Eco en su vertiente acad�mica (toda obra suya m�s larga que un art�culo es sumamente indigesto) y por el rollo del prestigio que tiene me intent� leer sus obras literarias. �Nadie m�s piensa que la peli de El nombre de la rosa es mejor que el libro (como ocurre en el Se�or de los anillos) y que El p�ndulo de Foucault es infumable?. Gracias.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 2:00 pm ¶
Scardanelli wrote:
Me veo en la obligaci�n de defender lo indefendible, porque a mi, a diferencia de la mayor�a de fieles definitivos, al menos por lo que observo escandalizado en vuestras her�ticas opiniones, s� que me va la marcha hardcore (a ser posible pensamiento duro alem�n y otras lindezas por el estilo).
Me sorprenden las dificultades de algunos con el Quijote y con Ch�spir, que en mi humilde opini�n son, y lo digo sin cachondeo y sin acritud, tan amenos de leer. �El Quijano no os parece divertid�simo? El �nico «defecto» (desde el punto de vista corriente, no desde el m�o, que es desviado) podr�a encontrarse en que se trata de un se�or tocho, pero creo que ya conoc�is mi opini�n al respecto. �Y no os parece maravillosamente extremo «El rey Lear», despojado, cual Job, de todas sus pertenencias y atributos y arrojado, como un Dasein cualquiera, a la intemperie de la existencia? �Cu�ndo la poes�a ha llegado a una mayor radicalidad de planteamiento y ha salido indemne de la apuesta?
En cambio no me sorprender�a tanto que expres�rais cierto rechazo visceral, pero apresurado, a cumbres de la cultura que tanto estimo como la emocionante «El ser y el tiempo», la inestricable Est�tica de Adorno o «El Capital» marxiano. Puedo comprender vuestra actitud, aunque eso no significa que la justifique.
Os dejo ya, que ardo en deseos de proseguir con la apasionante lectura alternada de «La monta�a m�gica» y de la Metaf�sica aristot�lica. Os recomiendo la experiencia. No perder�is nada por probarlo (quiz�s un poco la chaveta, pero �qui�n la quiere?)
M�s P�ndaro y menos Hollister.
Humildemente,
Scardanelli, el abogado de la literatura endiablada.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 2:13 pm ¶
Belen wrote:
«El C�digo da Vinci»…m�s que bestseller de suspense…reagrupaci�n ensay�stica…TOTALMENTE PREVISIBLE!!!! (se deduce de sus somer�simas descripciones q Mr. Brown no ley� al casi cirujano Flaubert…)
1 besazo pa ti, Alfred
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 2:27 pm ¶
Ana Tema wrote:
�Y qu� me decis de «Ma�ana en la batalla piensa en mi» (pag 114) de Javier Marias? �Y «Tu rostro ma�ana» (pag 20)del mismo?
�A alguien le suena «Muerte a cr�dito» de Celine (pag 56)? �»Viaje a la Alcarria» de Cela(pag 25)? �»El mal de Montano» de Vila-Matas (pag 70)?
�De qu� desayunan los cr�ticos y los catedr�ticos de literatura? �De Soporcao?
Recomendaciones:»El se�or de las moscas» de Golding, «1984» de Orwell,»Las part�culas elementales» de Houllebecq…
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 3:26 pm ¶
ElBaTeRia wrote:
Ana Tema: los tres libros que recomiendas a mi me parecen cojonudos, los tres, pero he de reconocer que el de Houellebecq es brutal, que tio m�s cabr�n, nihilista hasta la m�dula, ca�a a la generaci�n del 68, y �l como persona es a�n m�s cafre. Ardo en deseos de leer Plataforma.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 4:44 pm ¶
cheme wrote:
Estoy con Ava.
El quijote y, sobre todo, el ulises de Joyce.
El muy vil irland�s me gan� en 5 intentos a cada cual m�s inhumano, ya que yo sab�a lo que me esperaba y, a�n as�, no le aguant� ni un cuarto de libro.
Larga vida al Ulises!!!!
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 5:21 pm ¶
diavolo wrote:
Henry Miller es un farsante. Mejor leerlo antes de los veinte y luego olvidarlo.
He le�do el «Ulises» dos veces y algunos cap�tulos me gustan bastante. Supongo que merezco un destierro vitalicio a la isla de Man, pero la cosa ya no tiene arreglo.
Se os ha olvidado hablar de los beneficios como somn�feros de algunos mamotretos: «Paradiso», «Summa theologica» de Tom�s de Aquino, la «Divina Comedia», las novelas de Benet.
Por �ltimo: yo s� encuentro m�rito a disfrutar de «La conjura de los necios». Los personajes me parec�an m�s grotescos que graciosos. Para novelas de humor, mejor leer «Lolita».
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 6:50 pm ¶
l.g. wrote:
Recuerdo con algo cercano al odio a «La Regenta» de Clar�n. Quiz� tuvo algo que ver que fue por imperativo legal (escolar), quiz� porque yo era todav�a un tierno adolescente…
Umberto Eco. El Nombre de la Rosa es uno de los libros que me han encantado, sin embargo no fui capaz de llegar a la mitad de «La isla del d�a anterior» (o algo similar, que por cierto comenzaba a querer ponerse casi interesante).
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 9:14 pm ¶
Dejar� mi identidad en el economato, por temor a represalias wrote:
Pues yo no s�lo he disfrutado con muchos de los t�tulos que han salido por aqu�, sino que adem�s he le�do Ulises dos veces. La segunda, en ingl�s.
Posted 17 Abr 2004 at 11:50 pm ¶
percepied wrote:
Tengo un amigo que se ley� El Critic�n. Venga!
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 12:29 am ¶
percepied wrote:
Scardanelli, hardcoreta! Pudiste con La decadencia de Occidente? Qu� desenmascarador, pero qu� duro (no para diletantillos flojos como yo): creo que llegue hasta la 100 del primer volumen. Alg�n d�a quiz�… (bueno, ahora lo tiene mi amigo, el de arriba).
Saludos.
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 12:47 am ¶
niki lauda wrote:
Bueno, el �nico libro que en toda mi vida no he terminado de leer jam�s es la �nclita obra de Juan Benet ‘Volver�s a regi�n’, donde se unen el realismo m�gico con la guerra civil espa�ola y la man�a o la ignorancia sobre el uso del punto, la coma y otros artificios literarios que al lector culto no debe echar de menos… uffff
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 10:58 am ¶
petrus wrote:
Los versos sat�nicos, segunda p�gina, imposible seguir m�s.
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 1:24 pm ¶
Ana Tema wrote:
ElBa TeRia: es verdad que Houllebecq es un cabr�n pero creo que es uno de los pocos novelistas del siglo XXI. Los otros todavia est�n con rollos mo�ones de amor inveros�mil.
Plataforma est� muy bien, como todo lo suyo, pero hasta ahora su obra maestra es Las Part�culas. La m�s descorazonadora es «Ampliaci�n del campo de batalla». Esa s� que duele.
Diavolo: No creo que conozcas realmente a Henry Miller. Henry Miller es bueno a cualquier edad, siempre que no des mayor importancia a las escenas de sexo. (Hay gente que todavia llama a Miller porn�grafo; no lo han leido)
Yo tambi�n le� el Ulises en Dubl�n (lo termin� po eso, que sino…)pero me parece insoportable salvo los primeros cap�tulos.
Por una literatura libre de hipocresia…�Viva Houllebecq y Miller!
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 5:05 pm ¶
Garganta Profunda wrote:
Mi verdad.
Mi ranking lo encabeza «La Monta�a Magica» de Mann. Lo siento, pero se me hace intragable. Uno que si que logre tragarme pero pronto «borre» de mi memoria fue «El Tambor de Hojalata» de Grass. Joder con los alemanes.
En cuanto a Houllebeq, solo he leido «Ampliacion del campo de Batalla» y me puso de muy mala leche. Es muy bueno el tio, pero hace que veas el mundo como la peor de las cloacas!
No admito criticas al genial J.Kennedy Toole y su «Conjura de los necios». Como tampoco admito las criticas al narrador que mas y mejor me ha enganchado: Joseph Conrad. «El Agente Secreto» y «El corazon de las tinieblas» son supremas. Y de «Nostromo» para que hablar.
Umberto Eco. «El nombre de la rosa» y «El pendulo de Foucalt» son buenas. «La isla del dia de antes» un pe�azo, pero creo que con «Baudolino» ha vuelto al buen camino.
Y un ultimo apunte, la «Cartuja de Parma» de Stendhal es precioso. Leanlo co�o!
Posted 18 Abr 2004 at 9:05 pm ¶
mrag wrote:
«Por cierto, �alguien de los presentes ha conseguido acabar los Hermanos Karamazov de Dostoyevski? El memotreto tiene, en mi edici�n, 1300 p�ginas. Yo llegu� hasta la 400, m�s o menos»
Decia Heinlein (si, el fascistoide ese) que no sabia que funcion tenia la ficcion rusa, pero que desde luego no era entretener… y despues de alguna soporifera velada con alguna «obra maestra» de la literatura rusa, estoy por darle la razon
No es cuestion del grosor del libro (yo me he leido «Shogun» en una noche… experiencia que no le recomiendo a nadie), es cuestion de su capacidad somnifera. Y por ahi hay grandes obras maestras que dejarian en el paro a la mayoria de los especialistas en transtornos del sue�o.
Ahora estoy en los preliminares de «La divina comedia», de Dante… o sea: lo observo, admiro la bonita encuadernacion, me lo pienso…
El dia en que me de la vena masoca, me liare la manta a la cabeza y me leere el famoso Ulises de Joyce… he leido en ocasiones sobre el y siempre la conclusion es la misma: haria dormir al insomne mas recalcitrante
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 12:06 am ¶
Yagoda wrote:
Quien osa blasfemar contra Tolstoi, que me lo como????
En serio, «Guerra y Paz» fue una experiencia alucinante. Lo cogi a los catorce anos y me pase una semana leyendo sin parar. Fue como trasladarse a otra epoca, vamos. El Quijote me lo lei (si te saltas «El Curioso Impertinente» y las otras morcillas intercaladas vale, o es trampa?) y me gusto mucho, te ries y es ameno.
En cambio no pude con «La Divina Comedia». Pero que diablos le ven a ese libro? Con La Biblia me pierdo, y una vez (no te rias Scardanelli) lo intente con Kierkegaard. El caso es que llegue a la pagina 150 y podia haber seguido, pero lo deje porque tenia que reconocer que no entendia ni papa.
No me compareis Sinuhe con «Los Pilares…» por Dios. Sinuhe, como Yo Claudio, es un ejemplo de Best-Seller digno, una buena novela. Claro que una cosa es poner el ejemplo y otra seguirlo. Noah Gordon no escribira una novela buena ni por accidente, vaya.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 5:19 am ¶
ARG wrote:
Mi recomendaci�n para terminar todos esos pe�azos: media hora de transporte urbano dos veces al d�a. Puedes terminar mareado, pero al final te los acabas.
Coincido con elbateria en que Umberto Eco tiene un estilo infumable. Aunque reconozco que hace una gran labor de documentaci�n, pero debe estar tan acostumbrado a explayarse que le falta capacidad de sintesis. El nombre de la rosa, en mi opini�n, ganar�a con la mitad de extensi�n y El pendulo de Foucault con un tercio va de sobra.
Sin embargo, mi Nemesis literaria la constituyen los sudamericanos: los cuentos de Borges me parecieron sosisimos y en cuanto a 100 a�os de soledad y la casa de los espiritus no son m�s que culebrones con adornos literarios.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 9:48 am ¶
ARG wrote:
Por cierto, Sinuhe el egipcio y las historias de Lovecraft me parecieron buenisimas, s�lo hay que leerselas con un poco de cachondeo. Como si el autor estuviese de broma.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 9:50 am ¶
Mario wrote:
El Quijote. Me lo he le�do 2 veces, entero. Muy recomendable. Muy divertido.
Tambi�n me han gustado mucho las 4 Novelas de Umberto Eco. El P�ndulo de Foucault me lo le� de tir�n.
Lo que me parece infumable, en general, son los escritores hispanoamericanos. Salvo Augusto Monterroso.
Los pilares de la Tierra: con 10 l�neas se puede contar la Historia. Y sol algo as� como 1.400 p�ginas. Un aut�ntico cognazo.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 9:54 am ¶
miquel wrote:
Estoy de acuerdo que se nota que no cogeis mucho transporte p�blico, si tienes cada dia 45 min. de ida y otros de vuelta del curro acabas casi todo lo que te echen (claro que hay cosas que ya te imaginas el percal y ni las empiezas).
Nunca he entendido que la gente lea de vacaciones o (aun me parece mas raro) de viaje! vaya mierda de sitio has escogido para pasar el verano si tienes que dedicarte a acabar la Divina Com�dia (grand�sima version de Joan F. Mira en catal�n, por cierto), o leerte la Cr�nica de Ramon Muntaner en vacaciones…
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 10:37 am ¶
miquel wrote:
Estoy de acuerdo que se nota que no cogeis mucho transporte p�blico, si tienes cada dia 45 min. de ida y otros de vuelta del curro acabas casi todo lo que te echen (claro que hay cosas que ya te imaginas el percal y ni las empiezas).
Nunca he entendido que la gente lea de vacaciones o (aun me parece mas raro) de viaje! vaya mierda de sitio has escogido para pasar el verano si tienes que dedicarte a acabar la Divina Com�dia (grand�sima version de Joan F. Mira en catal�n, por cierto), o leerte la Cr�nica de Ramon Muntaner en vacaciones…
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 10:39 am ¶
marius wrote:
ARG, Lovecraft crea un ambiente en sus novelas muy adecuado, pero las historias me parecen demasiado increibles para tomarlas en serio y los desenlaces no me convencen, aun asi a veces sigo leyendo algun cuento mas de este autor. Cambiando de tema hace poco he descubierto Siddharta de Hermna Hess, muy recomendable, me lo lei en un dia.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 11:36 am ¶
ARG wrote:
A Marius, no te falta cierta raz�n. Las dos cosas que le faltaron a Lovecraft para ser un gran escritor, fueron, por un lado, que sus historias no se parecieran tanto entre s� y, por otro, que no tuvieran unos finales tan repentinos y (en la mayor�a de los casos) ridiculos. Por eso que diga que hay que tomarselo un poco a co�a.
A�n as�, yo le saqu� bastante jugo por los mundos fantasticos, las leyendas y los panteones de dioses infernales que invent�. Si no lo has le�do, te recomiendo «En busca de la ciudad del sol poniente». En cierta forma, es una historia de fantasia del tipo «El hobbit» o «El se�or de los anillos», pero sin batallitas y mucho m�s t�trica (Aqu� todo el mundo, hasta los dioses, parece intrinsecamente malvado).
Para que luego digan que Tolkien lo invent� todo.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 1:47 pm ¶
Ana Tema wrote:
�Alguien ha podido con «Ma�ana en la batalla piensa en mi» de Javier Mar�as, o con «Tu rostro ma�ana»? A mi me parecen infumables y est�n muy cacareadas.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 2:24 pm ¶
Fernando wrote:
�Como es que nadie nombra «El lobo estepario»? Yo siempre sospeche que a partir de la pagina 50 todo esta en aleman porque el traductor tampoco pudo pasar de ahi.
Bueno, quiza soy el unico que no puede con el porque soy de ciencias…
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 2:31 pm ¶
Ana Tema wrote:
Fernando tienes toda la raz�n. «El lobo estepario» es una chorrada sin sentido. Lo raro es que hay gente que dice que le ha cambiado la vida.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 2:39 pm ¶
Mario wrote:
Yo le� El lobo estepario en la adolescencia, y me pareci� una caca pinchada en un palo. Desde entonces me dan bastante repel�s los escritores alemanes.
Otro infumable, Memorias de Adriano, de M.Yourcenar. Fue de los primeros libros que dej� a la mitad.
El Mal de Montano, de Vila-Matas, a m� s� me gust�. Este escritor me parece original y sencillo a la vez.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 4:12 pm ¶
Fran(Cesc) wrote:
Al respecto de los comentarios sobre Javier Mar�as, he le�do dos obras suyas y siempre he tenido la sensaci�n de que cuando acaba cada frase piensa «Joder, qu� bueno que soy!». Y hablando de obras cacareadas del mismo autor, a mi me recomendaron por activa y por pasiva «Coraz�n tan blanco» y, francamente, contribuy� a refrendar la opini�n que tengo acerca del se�or Mar�as, un escritor que pretende crear grandes novelas a partir de hechos simples, algo que no est� al alcance de todos.
Posted 19 Abr 2004 at 4:25 pm ¶
gengiskan wrote:
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he o�do que �ltimamente tiene dificultades para seguir mal que bien el discurrir de la actualidad de eapa�a.
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2� Guerra y Paz
3� El Quijote
4� El Decameron
5� La Iliada y la Odisea (�no es el mismo libro?)
6� Fausto de Goethe(aunque la primera parte me gust�, la segunda no pud� pasar de las 20 primeras p�ginas)
7� Por el Camino de Swan (s�lo de pensar que son varios libros, se me pon�a la piel de gallina..)
8� Rayuela, y eso que todo el mundo me ha dicho que es muy bueno..
9� El Ulises, la verdad es que ni lo he intentado
10� La Biblia, aunque con el resumen de LPD me basta y me sobra.. ��a ver si lo retomais!!!
Y sobre libros recomendables, entre los cl�sicos Orwell y Unamuno, que me parecen grand�simos.
Y contempor�neos, sin lugar a dudas: Ray Loriga (Tokio..), Houellebecq (a mi me gust� m�s Plataforma, aunque tiene malas cr�ticas) y Haruki Murakami (El canto del p�jaro que da cuerda al mundo) . TOTALMENTE RECOMENDADOS.
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Traumas literarios: «El Banquete» de Plat�n. Diossssss c�mo lo sufr� en mis can.nes adolescentes ! Y me lo tuve que acabar !!!! Tanto es as� que me he vuelto al�rgico a Plat�n. No puedo con �l.
Ni con Hemingway, vaya plasta: «El viejo. El mar. Las olas. Silencio. Me duermo. Hasta ma�ana.» etc etc…
Infames, las novelas hist�ricas de un tal Gisbert Haefs, muy de moda en librer�as de best-sellers (alem�n, por cierto). Y las costumbristas del siglo XIX, inicios del XX, sobre todo inglesas, son un CO�AZO. Y es que nunca pasa nada !
El problema de Lovecraft, es que a estas alturas, despu�s de tanto gore y tanta sci-fi, sus relatos de «terror» parecen na�f. Y algunos dan un poco de risa, porque no resiste muy bien el paso del tiempo. pero a m� me encantan.
Y al fascista de Heinlein ni me lo toqu�is. A m� me gut.ta !
Ah, y reivindico la Iliada como relato b�lico-gay. Magn�fica exposici�n de pedradas, lanzazos, cr�neos abiertos y amor homosexual.
Alex
Posted 20 Abr 2004 at 1:13 pm ¶
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Hombre burbuja!!!!! Por Dios!! La Iliada y la Odisea!!!! Dos de mi libros favoritos!! Me parece increible (aunq para gustos colores) que no te gusten m�s q nada por lo bien q Homero (si en verdad son suyos los dos) relata emociones, inventa aventuras, la multitud de situaciones del prudente Odiseo..
Lo dicho para gustos colores..
Posted 20 Abr 2004 at 6:52 pm ¶
Hombre Burbuja wrote:
Ser� por mi total ignorancia sobre el mundo cl�sico, que me hac�a tener que buscar dos de cada tres palabras de esos libros…
supongo que esta clase de libros suelen despertar pasiones enfrentadas. A mi me enamoro «100 a�os..» y ninguno de mis amigos le ha encontrado la gracia a Jos� Arcadio y Aureliano en cualquiera de sus generaciones. Con «Rayuela» me pasa lo contrario, me lo he intentado leer de todas las formas posibles, y no alcanzo a superar los tres cap�tulos.
Eso s�, Dune me encant� (al menos los tres primeros libros)
Posted 21 Abr 2004 at 3:31 pm ¶
mrag wrote:
Vaya vaya, Scardanelli… �tambien tienes el tomo ese de «Lo mejor de la ciencia-ficcion espa�ola»?. La verdad es que algunos de los relatos estan muy bien… algo sorprendente en el ambito (mas bien lamentable) de la ciencia-ficcion espa�ola.
Personalmente me quedo con «Visiones peligrosas» (recopilacion de Harlan Ellison), aunque algunos de los relatos son un completo co�azo
Y, sin duda, recomiendo un libro con el que he conseguido que gente que aborrecia la ciencia-ficcion empezara a cogerle el gustillo (y, sorprendentemente, siempre me lo devolvian): «Flores para Algernon», de Daniel Keyes… quiza no sea profundo y filosofico, pero a mi me gusta, �pasa algo?
Posted 21 Abr 2004 at 10:51 pm ¶
Hombre Burbuja wrote:
«Tokio ya no nos quiere» de Ray Loriga es un buen libro de ciencia ficci�n, y escrito por alguien espa�ol ajeno a la SciFi…
Posted 22 Abr 2004 at 12:01 pm ¶
Scardanelli wrote:
Tendr�s que indicarme cu�les son esos relatos que te parecen buenos, mrag, porque hablamos del �nico libro que jam�s en la vida he conseguido terminar, a pesar de intentarlo en un par de ocasiones, la �ltima por una simple cuesti�n de orgullo. A partir del instante de su «descubrimiento» decid� replantearme seriamente mi relaci�n con la ciencia ficci�n y explorar nuevos territorios literarios menos dados al desprop�sito, como la sensata filosof�a idealista.
Espero que no salves de la quema a esa obrita de teatro(?) reivindicativo-extrasensorial-cat�rquico que lleva por t�tulo «Sodom�quina», porque por casualidad la le� hace poco y no daba cr�dito a tal acumulaci�n de insensateces. Sin duda el m�s impresentable, e irrepresentable, texto con pretensiones serias que he le�do jam�s. Desasosegante, c�mico y fascinante a un tiempo. Y ahora que lo pienso, su autor, un tal Carlo Fabretti, ser�a la diana perfecta para nuestros amigos liberales, ya que encarna a la perfecci�n la idea de progre de tres al cuarto en la que tanto les place creer. Estoy por regal�rselo un d�a. Aunque no s� si coincidir�s conmigo en que la estrella de la antolog�a es el «modesto» antologador, el gran gur� Domingo Santos. Desde luego este libro gana con los a�os. Es un gran reserva (una gran reserva de kitsch, por supuesto).
«Visiones peligrosas» lo le� en mi adolescencia, como el resto de sci-fi de toda ralea de la que me empap� a pelo, sin tomar ning�n tipo de precauci�n ni someterme a controles peri�dicos del virus del P.U.L.P., as� que apenas recuerdo alg�n detalle irrelevante, pero la sensaci�n general que conservo despu�s de tanto tiempo es ciertamente agradable y positiva (eso s�, del cuento infumable de Philip Jos� Farmer todav�a guardo un espeluznante recuerdo y una hojita en la p�gina doce que hace las veces de se�al alertadora del peligro, in�til como marcador porque ni loco pienso aprovecharla para reanudar aquel tormento que comenzaba con frases tan «subversivas» y «provocadoras» como «Colina de esti�rcol y el huevo del gallo: el basilisco se levanta y canta, primera vez de tres, en la hinchaz�n de sangre de yo soy la erecci�n y el coito». Pobre desgraciado el negro al que le tocara traducirlo). As� que mejor ser� que no relea jam�s esa antolog�a cl�sica para no estropear el bien que me hizo en su momento. Del que s� me acuerdo con bastante claridad y mayor simpat�a es del famos�rrimo «Los propios dioses», quiz�s porque fue la primera novela del subg�nero que lleg� a mis manos y de las pocas a las que me atrev� a volver a�os m�s tarde.
�Conoces la antolog�a de cuentos «Canciones que cantan los muertos», de un tal George R. Martin? Est� situada anormalmente en la linde entre el terror y la ciencia ficci�n y fue la selecci�n de relatos del fant�stico que m�s me impresion� por su inquietante originalidad. En su momento, claro, con quince a�itos o menos y con una capacidad de maravilla todav�a virgen. Mira t� por d�nde, este libro no digo que no vaya a someterlo a una revisi�n futura. Y ahora que ya me puesto abiertamente nost�lgico, quiz�s tambi�n recupere un d�a de estos de las estanter�as m�s altas y polvorientas de la infancia al entra�able Sherlock, mi detective opi�mano y depresivo favorito.
Un saludo gal�ctico.
Humilde(y fot�nica)mente,
Scardanelli de las estrellas.
Posted 22 Abr 2004 at 8:52 pm ¶
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Si alguien quiere leer alguna no se arrepentir�.
Posted 23 Abr 2004 at 12:41 am ¶
mrag wrote:
Buf… Carlo Fabretti seria una persona encantadora… si no escribiera
Uno de los relatos que antes me hacian bastante gracia era «Gira, gira»… por desgracia, despues me compre un coche… 5 horitas en un atasco hacen que ese relato deje de ser una cosa graciosa y se convierta en un espantoso cuento de terror
Quiza, mas que «buenos», cabria definir varios de los relatos como «diferentes». Al menos no son los tipicos relatos «made in USA». Por ejemplo «No comeras», la conquista del espacio a la europea… un pelin menos heroica, pero sin duda mas divertida
Eso si, de «ciencia» tienen mas bien poco (claro que para eso me leo las «Cronicas de McAndrew» o algo por el estilo y acabo saturado por una temporada)
Podria ser peor: tuve la espantosa ocurrencia de comprarme, de la misma coleccion, «lo mejor de la ciencia ficcion sovietica»… no se que fue mas traumatico, si intentar leerlo o recordar que, encima, habia tenido que pagarlo
Posted 23 Abr 2004 at 1:12 am ¶
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Y a Zola le cog� bastante cari�o. Pero si alg�n libro me ha fascinado �ste ha sido Orlando de Virginia Woolf �Qu� maravilla! Bueno lectores un beso y a seguir opinando tan de puta madre!
BROUHAHA!
Posted 12 Ago 2004 at 2:21 pm ¶
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los fragmentos de la batalla puramente militar en guerra y paz tambi�n se las traen, eh?
tambi�n he intentado muchas veces rayuela, pero es que no puedo.
madame bovary, c�mo tarda en arrancar… eh? me lo le� la semana pasada porque no ten�a ning�n otro libro a mano en vacaciones. pero cuando empieza la trama es genial. final desgarrador.
si quer�ir pasar unos buenos ratos, la t�a bette, de balzac. es desternillante.
salud
Posted 12 Ago 2004 at 6:30 pm ¶
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Memorias de una geisha tiene exito y criticas de todo un poco, pero hay que leerla con mente de mujer , y encontrarse a una misma en esa ni�a, y en esa mujer, viviendo comon todavia vivo yo, al menos en el mas machista y patriarcal de los sistemas, que sigue siendo occidente y mas especificamente America Latina. Sorry, men, sin intenciones de ofender.
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